Comments on: Issue 2 Town Hall Question and Answer Video Clips http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882 Liberty ~ Unity ~ Sovereignty Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:22:17 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jack Laughlin http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-527 Jack Laughlin Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:05:53 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-527 I was born and raised on a dairy farm. We raised our own grain and hay. We cared for our cow's well being not because it was politically correct, but we knew that a healthy cow was a more productive cow which was our bottom line. The point I am trying to make is: Your small family farmer knows his buisness, he loves his job and loves working the land. I remember in the late 70's or early 80's the price of milk was $17.00 a hundred pounds. Thanks to the govt., it went down to $11.00 per hundred pounds. Unfortunately, the price of seed, fertilizer, sanitation chemicals, and all of the necessary products we had to buy remained the same price. This effectively ran us out of buisness as well as thousands of other hard working dairy farmers. The way I see it from my end is that big farm and big govt. want's us out of the way so they can maximize profits as well as obtain complete control over our ability to provide for ourselves. This in turn will make us dependent upon the govt. Trust this, I feel much better buying a beef, gallon of milk, eggs, or produce of any kind from a small farmer. Most cannot afford the growth hormones and such as your "Industrialized farms" can. Corporate Ag stands to profit from Issue 2. While the govt. stands to gain ever increasing authority over what you can and cannot do. One last thing. Corporate Ag are the one's who burn up dairy cows with protein supplements. They grow a chicken big enough to butcher in 3 weeks. They can force a chicken to lay three times the eggs in their life cycle as well as make them lay year round with lights on them all the time. Now tell me, who abuses animals for profit? Who are the ones who are indorseing this farce? It's not your "small" family farmer down the road! I was born and raised on a dairy farm. We raised our own grain and hay. We cared for our cow’s well being not because it was politically correct, but we knew that a healthy cow was a more productive cow which was our bottom line. The point I am trying to make is: Your small family farmer knows his buisness, he loves his job and loves working the land.
I remember in the late 70’s or early 80’s the price of milk was $17.00 a hundred pounds. Thanks to the govt., it went down to $11.00 per hundred pounds. Unfortunately, the price of seed, fertilizer, sanitation chemicals, and all of the necessary products we had to buy remained the same price. This effectively ran us out of buisness as well as thousands of other hard working dairy farmers.
The way I see it from my end is that big farm and big govt. want’s us out of the way so they can maximize profits as well as obtain complete control over our ability to provide for ourselves. This in turn will make us dependent upon the govt.
Trust this, I feel much better buying a beef, gallon of milk, eggs, or produce of any kind from a small farmer. Most cannot afford the growth hormones and such as your “Industrialized farms” can. Corporate Ag stands to profit from Issue 2. While the govt. stands to gain ever increasing authority over what you can and cannot do.
One last thing. Corporate Ag are the one’s who burn up dairy cows with protein supplements. They grow a chicken big enough to butcher in 3 weeks. They can force a chicken to lay three times the eggs in their life cycle as well as make them lay year round with lights on them all the time. Now tell me, who abuses animals for profit? Who are the ones who are indorseing this farce? It’s not your “small” family farmer down the road!

]]> By: Jason Mihalick http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-465 Jason Mihalick Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:13:00 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-465 We aren't allied with HSUS or PETA whatsoever. We stand for the rights of the individual. PETA and HSUS want to force, yes FORCE, their views on everyone in the form of the banning of hunting and backdoor forcing of veganism on everyone by placing crushing restrictions on farms. They don't have the right to force those beliefs on us any more than the government has the right to place further restrictions and regulations on the private property of our farmers. Our goal with issue 2 is to educate and inform people about the implications on the rights of individual farmers and consumers. I don't think we've ignored HSUS at all. Watch the videos. There are several questions about HSUS. I would suggest that you ask the following question instead: Is Farm Bureau allied with HSUS/PETA? Do some searching on the web. Farm Bureau has had several meetings with HSUS. Do you suppose any compromises have been made? We aren’t allied with HSUS or PETA whatsoever. We stand for the rights of the individual. PETA and HSUS want to force, yes FORCE, their views on everyone in the form of the banning of hunting and backdoor forcing of veganism on everyone by placing crushing restrictions on farms. They don’t have the right to force those beliefs on us any more than the government has the right to place further restrictions and regulations on the private property of our farmers. Our goal with issue 2 is to educate and inform people about the implications on the rights of individual farmers and consumers. I don’t think we’ve ignored HSUS at all. Watch the videos. There are several questions about HSUS. I would suggest that you ask the following question instead: Is Farm Bureau allied with HSUS/PETA? Do some searching on the web. Farm Bureau has had several meetings with HSUS. Do you suppose any compromises have been made?

]]> By: Guy Average http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-464 Guy Average Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:00:06 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-464 Is Liberty Council allied with HSUS/PETA on their position on Issue 2? The reason I ask is that there is very little background information on HSUS here. Here are three links to get more bakground on HSUS and more importanlty what their goals are. They are relatively short posts and it is worth checking them out and reading the whole thing: http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/3996-hsus-targets-ohio-in-political-cockfight http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm?oid=136 http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/3779-meet-the-new-political-peta-its-initials-are-h-s-u-s For some reason, Libert Council has ignored this point of view, which is why I question if they are allied with HSUS or not. Is Liberty Council allied with HSUS/PETA on their position on Issue 2?

The reason I ask is that there is very little background information on HSUS here. Here are three links to get more bakground on HSUS and more importanlty what their goals are. They are relatively short posts and it is worth checking them out and reading the whole thing:
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/3996-hsus-targets-ohio-in-political-cockfight

http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm?oid=136

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/h/3779-meet-the-new-political-peta-its-initials-are-h-s-u-s

For some reason, Libert Council has ignored this point of view, which is why I question if they are allied with HSUS or not.

]]> By: Carrie Mihalick http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-458 Carrie Mihalick Wed, 28 Oct 2009 04:18:38 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-458 It is unbelievable to me how many people are willing to give their freedom away in a single vote which our Founding Fathers were willing to give their lives, their fortune, and their sacred honor to gain. Vote NO on Issue 2! It is unbelievable to me how many people are willing to give their freedom away in a single vote which our Founding Fathers were willing to give their lives, their fortune, and their sacred honor to gain.

Vote NO on Issue 2!

]]> By: Deidre East http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-457 Deidre East Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:48:40 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-457 I am 100% against Issue 2. I traveled from the Dayton area to attend this event. I am glad I attended. First, Maurice Thompson, a constitutional law attorney at [organization removed by editor] (614-xxx-xxxx), made the best arguments AGAINST the passage of this issue. For me, it's a simple series of litmus test questions: 1. Do these sort of things belong in a constitution? 2. Does the proposed amendment increase economic and/or personal liberty? 3. Does it support free market principles? For those reasons, I am against Issue 2 (and Issue 3 for that matter, even though I don't really care whether people gamble or not; why not just legalize gambling?). I read an interesting blog post that is somewhat related (talking about a case when the Ohio government raided a family farm): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=6325#. Here is the link on the Buckeye Institute's site about the case: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1284. Regarding the connection between the mentioned case and Issue 2, here is a little of what I found: One of the defendants is Robert Boggs, the Ohio Department of Agriculture Director [http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/stowers.pdf]. Boggs is a supporter of Issue 2 [http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/boggs-ag-is-facing-challenges-yes-but-also-bio-revolution-opportunities/13002.html]. And guess who would be the chair of this proposed board? The "director of the state department that regulates agriculture." [http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/ballotboard/2009/2-final_explanation.pdf] According to The Ohio Liberty Council site, "an invitation was extended to Robert Boggs, the Director of Agriculture for the State of Ohio who declined." [http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=811] Connecting the dots, that looks like Boggs to me. A family farm raider as the Ohio Farm Czar? No thanks. I am 100% against Issue 2. I traveled from the Dayton area to attend this event. I am glad I attended.

First, Maurice Thompson, a constitutional law attorney at [organization removed by editor] (614-xxx-xxxx), made the best arguments AGAINST the passage of this issue.

For me, it’s a simple series of litmus test questions:
1. Do these sort of things belong in a constitution?
2. Does the proposed amendment increase economic and/or personal liberty?
3. Does it support free market principles?

For those reasons, I am against Issue 2 (and Issue 3 for that matter, even though I don’t really care whether people gamble or not; why not just legalize gambling?).

I read an interesting blog post that is somewhat related (talking about a case when the Ohio government raided a family farm): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=6325#.

Here is the link on the Buckeye Institute’s site about the case: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/article/1284.

Regarding the connection between the mentioned case and Issue 2, here is a little of what I found:

One of the defendants is Robert Boggs, the Ohio Department of Agriculture Director [http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/stowers.pdf].

Boggs is a supporter of Issue 2 [http://www.farmanddairy.com/news/boggs-ag-is-facing-challenges-yes-but-also-bio-revolution-opportunities/13002.html].

And guess who would be the chair of this proposed board? The “director of the state department that regulates agriculture.” [http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/upload/ballotboard/2009/2-final_explanation.pdf]

According to The Ohio Liberty Council site, “an invitation was extended to Robert Boggs, the Director of Agriculture for the State of Ohio who declined.” [http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=811]

Connecting the dots, that looks like Boggs to me. A family farm raider as the Ohio Farm Czar? No thanks.

]]> By: Mitchell, Zanesville http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-455 Mitchell, Zanesville Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:49:34 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-455 A pig in a poke if I ever saw one. Rep. Ruhl admitted that the amendment does nothing to prevent HSUS from attempting to regulate Ohio farmers. Strange to me that independent minded farmers would vote for more regulation and vote to increase the size of government. Small farmers are being taken for a ride. Eventually, they will have to comply with the board and HSUS. A pig in a poke if I ever saw one. Rep. Ruhl admitted that the amendment does nothing to prevent HSUS from attempting to regulate Ohio farmers. Strange to me that independent minded farmers would vote for more regulation and vote to increase the size of government. Small farmers are being taken for a ride. Eventually, they will have to comply with the board and HSUS.

]]> By: Zed Tompkins http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-454 Zed Tompkins Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:40:33 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-454 Issue 2 is another way for government to expand & intrude into our lives. Just look at what happened to the Manna Storehouse west of Cleveland last year when the gestapo thugs raided their farm & stole their food because some of their meat ended up at Oberlin College. It's bad enough that they can kick us off of our own property if we can't afford to pay their exhorbitant real estate taxes. The last bastion of freedom is our ability to grow our own food & raise our own livestock without interference. Stalin starved farmers to death on their own land by threatening them with armed soldiers. Anyone who votes yes for this bill is a brain-dead moron! Issue 2 is another way for government to expand & intrude into our lives. Just look at what happened to the Manna Storehouse west of Cleveland last year when the gestapo thugs raided their farm & stole their food because some of their meat ended up at Oberlin College. It’s bad enough that they can kick us off of our own property if we can’t afford to pay their exhorbitant real estate taxes. The last bastion of freedom is our ability to grow our own food & raise our own livestock without interference. Stalin starved farmers to death on their own land by threatening them with armed soldiers. Anyone who votes yes for this bill is a brain-dead moron!

]]> By: Steve McMaster http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-440 Steve McMaster Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:57:34 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-440 Thank you folks for sharing this video with those who could not make it to Columbus. Great questions! It sounds as though the issue is a fear that the voters will vote for something (ballot iniative) that will be destructive of the agriculture industry. So in order to stop the people from doing something destructive we will pass a constitutional amendment. In reallity it seems like anything else in this country....we must educate the populace! Thank you folks for sharing this video with those who could not make it to Columbus. Great questions! It sounds as though the issue is a fear that the voters will vote for something (ballot iniative) that will be destructive of the agriculture industry. So in order to stop the people from doing something destructive we will pass a constitutional amendment. In reallity it seems like anything else in this country….we must educate the populace!

]]> By: Dan Offineer http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.org/?p=882&cpage=1#comment-437 Dan Offineer Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:26:28 +0000 http://www.ohiolibertycouncil.com/?p=882#comment-437 I have heard enough. This sounds like TARP. The government says just pass this and we will finish with the details afterwards. TARP money has become a way for the government to reward poticial parties and not to fuel the economy. I have heard enough. This sounds like TARP. The government says just pass this and we will finish with the details afterwards. TARP money has become a way for the government to reward poticial parties and not to fuel the economy.

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